Sarah and Friends Tour 2010/11
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Thanks jessiemonkey for your kind words.
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Sarah is far from perfect and has flaws like anybody else.Her personal life is just that personal.I have seen her enough times and met her to know that in my eyes she is honest in her songwriting and her life for the most part. She is not a target of the paps because she lives in VC, BCWhen she married Ash I was happy for her and saddened by their split. LOL was not what I expected and when I heard she had put two songs from Closer on it, I was disappointed. She said in an interview that it is her best album so far. In my opinion it was Fumbling and Solace. Many artists including Sarah have periods of decline. I don't think that her best days are behind her. The split with Nettwerk shocked me, maybe it is for the better. I am curious about some of the answers to the questions raised in this thread but its none of my business. Some say if you don't like how a person presents themselves then how can you be a fan of their music. I think you can.
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Some say if you don't like how a person presents themselves then how can you be a fan of their music. I think you can.[/quote]
This is what the K T Tunstall song "The Entertainer" is about. It's about complete "scumbags" making beautiful music. Does this make the music any less beautiful? She says no, and I agree too. Some of the biggest scumbags make the most beautiful music, so what an artist is like, should have no bearing on the enjoyment of their art.
I think the answer to the McLachlan downturn is described in the post concerning her being comfortable with what she's doing and not having that drive any more. The problem is she now has a style. She could try and do something different and fail , which takes her out of her comfort zone. Fans, inlcuding myself, may not like the results, but I would like to see her try, just one more time to do something worthwhile and innovative. Possibly the break with Nettwerk may just give her that spark.
Some say if you don't like how a person presents themselves then how can you be a fan of their music. I think you can.[/quote]
This is what the K T Tunstall song "The Entertainer" is about. It's about complete "scumbags" making beautiful music. Does this make the music any less beautiful? She says no, and I agree too. Some of the biggest scumbags make the most beautiful music, so what an artist is like, should have no bearing on the enjoyment of their art.
I think the answer to the McLachlan downturn is described in the post concerning her being comfortable with what she's doing and not having that drive any more. The problem is she now has a style. She could try and do something different and fail , which takes her out of her comfort zone. Fans, inlcuding myself, may not like the results, but I would like to see her try, just one more time to do something worthwhile and innovative. Possibly the break with Nettwerk may just give her that spark.
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It seems that there'll be a show on May 1st, in Abbotsford:
http://communities.canada.com/theprovin ... may-1.aspx
http://communities.canada.com/theprovin ... may-1.aspx
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I really need to have a bash at this one Squirrel, so here goes...
1. How many members of the band or production crew have you not had sex with?
You have an unhealthy obsession with SMcL’s sex life. This I’m sure will worry most people. I’m sure that in her younger days she may well have “played the field”, but is that the case now? I did many things in my youth which I really am not proud of, but I’ve grown up a bit since then and my attitude is somewhat different. I’m not sure where you get all these titbits from but are they to be taken at face value, or, should we take them with a pinch of salt?
2. The new guy - did you find someone with lots of money because at least he isn't after you for the money, and he does what he's told in return for a bit of media coverage and reflected glory?
Unsure of what the reference is here, so I’ll leave that for now. I’m sure somebody will enlighten me. (I do like a dose of enlightenment!!)
3. Was it desperation to find someone quickly, just to convince everyone including yourself you are happy?
You don’t go out and date somebody just to convince yourself you’re happy, even less so to convince others. I really don’t know if it is a desperation thing or not. I know of several people who have divorced and have “panicked” and finished up confusing love/relationship with sex. Don’t forget some people really don’t like being on there own and need the emotional crutch of another person’s love to lean on.
4. How happy are you with the awful LOI? Or should I say how unhappy are you with the awful LOI?
I’m not sure it is as awful as you’re making out. I agree it’s not the best, but I’m sure everyone here has other albums which they prefer to this.
5. Was it rushed because you were pushed into releasing something you weren't happy with or did you release it because you needed to prove something after the split with Ash?
Rushed...After 7-8 years??. You’re making the assumption that she IS unhappy with it.
Yes, I believe that there is an element of proving yourself after a divorce. I’m no expert at this because I’m still happily married after 35 years
6. How much do you hate the bastards at Nettwerk?
Well said. (You really didn’t expect me to bite at everything you’ve said did you??)
7. Since for years you told everyone how wonderful and supportive Ash was, even in the face of you being really awful to him, how come you suddenly changed your tune so quickly? So how can we believe anything you say?
We don’t know the circumstances behind the split. For me trust in your partner is paramount and if that trust is betrayed in any form then there’s very little left. Again I’m now speaking from experience, so in this I definitely know what I’m talking about.
8. The man you were truly in love with, about whom you said everyone should have a love like this, but very very few do, they just make do, whereas this is true love etc. appears to be on most LOI tracks portrayed as the man who left when the going got tough. A complete change of mind and rewriting of history. Are you therefore going into politics?
See answer to Q.7 above.
9. If you keep going on about how normal you are and how much you like a normal life why don't you just retire? You have nothing more to prove and your creative phase is now over. So how come you keep appearing in the media when you have nothing new to say or sing, and have publicity photos glossed over to such an extent they would make Jabba The Hut look like Taylor Swift?
I think she is as normal as you’ll find in the music business. For me this is one of the reasons that she appeals to me, both the person and the music complement each other. Besides, define a “normal life” As to “...nothing more to prove.....”, everybody who has the slightest sense of acheivment and ambition has something to prove!
10. Did Nettwerk and the record company deliberately not promote LOI because you are leaving them?
My thoughts exactly.
11. Was LOI a deliberately bad album because you are saving your best for your own label at a time when you intend to manage yourself?
A 2 part question requires a 2 part answer, part 1: see answer to Q.4. 2nd. Part, I hope so, very much.
12. Do you hate their guts because they nearly worked you to destruction then leeched off your talent?
Well said...for the second time
13. Did you have that stalker shot?
WHAT!!.
I know, fleetingly, of the life changing effects of unwarranted attention that an “admirer” brings. When I was in my late teens I had a good friend whose sister was stalked by a “man” (I’d like to call him a bastard, you’re all decent people on this forum, so I won’t refer to the little toe rag in such terms.) The Police/law couldn’t/wouldn’t help so he dealt with the aforementioned little shit himself. Funnily enough the police/law could and did do something about that and my friend finished up in jail for 6 years. I last saw of him was in Hull prison ( A salubrious place HMP Hull, and I’m being complimentary in saying that!). That was a week before they transferred him to a London prison 200 miles away from his Family. The Police/law did that because his family made a formal complaint about the lack of support/action in the initial stalking complaint. Lily law doesn’t like it when you bitch about them.
All in all Squirrel I think you’ve done a bit of a disservice to SMcL with this hatchet job. I’m with you all the way pretty much in what you’re aiming at with the media/management service thing. But can this be wholly laid at the door of SMcl? I don’t think it is, and I’m more than certain you’re honest and intelligent enough to know the answer to that question. Please don’t think I’m slavishly defending her at all costs because I’m not. I know that everything in SMcL world isn’t perfect and I’ve done my share of petty bitching about what she’s done and what’s being done in her name. It’s the latter that rankles with me, which I think is where you’re coming from.
Management in most forms doesn’t look at you as a person, but as a shackle, a thing, a possession and as a tool to achieve a means to an end. It rarely looks at you at an asset, which is what you, I and everybody reading this right now is. You, I and everyone including Sarah are an asset, and are the only asset ANY company has. You and I are both at an age where we can remember Patrick McGoohan in the Prisoner, and his famous line “ I am a name, not a number”
Being in the public gaze does leave you open to criticism from your detractors, sometimes warranted, sometimes not, and the more you learn about somebody the worse it can get. If you’ve read a couple of my posts you will have realised that for several years I had a serious drink problem. This is something that I’m deeply ashamed and embarrassed about because to this day I don’t really understand why I went, willingly, down that road. As part of the help I enlisted I was “encouraged” to tell people about this, to “Aid the healing process”. This is a complete and utter load of bollocks because it doesn’t help the healing process at all, and in fact it exasperates the problem. This is because some of the people I’ve told and are now armed with a little knowledge, and a little knowledge IS dangerous, they’ve become very judgemental. It becomes empowering to know that somebody has issues that you don’t. I still have an occasional drink, but I’m now in control of what I’m doing and I now know when to stop, and more to the point I now know I can stop. I do this because I still have “something to prove”. OK, I’m only proving it to myself, but as I said earlier, we all have something to prove at every stage of our lives.
Oh yes!, Jessel didn’t try to get you into trouble, you did that on your own.
1. How many members of the band or production crew have you not had sex with?
You have an unhealthy obsession with SMcL’s sex life. This I’m sure will worry most people. I’m sure that in her younger days she may well have “played the field”, but is that the case now? I did many things in my youth which I really am not proud of, but I’ve grown up a bit since then and my attitude is somewhat different. I’m not sure where you get all these titbits from but are they to be taken at face value, or, should we take them with a pinch of salt?
2. The new guy - did you find someone with lots of money because at least he isn't after you for the money, and he does what he's told in return for a bit of media coverage and reflected glory?
Unsure of what the reference is here, so I’ll leave that for now. I’m sure somebody will enlighten me. (I do like a dose of enlightenment!!)
3. Was it desperation to find someone quickly, just to convince everyone including yourself you are happy?
You don’t go out and date somebody just to convince yourself you’re happy, even less so to convince others. I really don’t know if it is a desperation thing or not. I know of several people who have divorced and have “panicked” and finished up confusing love/relationship with sex. Don’t forget some people really don’t like being on there own and need the emotional crutch of another person’s love to lean on.
4. How happy are you with the awful LOI? Or should I say how unhappy are you with the awful LOI?
I’m not sure it is as awful as you’re making out. I agree it’s not the best, but I’m sure everyone here has other albums which they prefer to this.
5. Was it rushed because you were pushed into releasing something you weren't happy with or did you release it because you needed to prove something after the split with Ash?
Rushed...After 7-8 years??. You’re making the assumption that she IS unhappy with it.
Yes, I believe that there is an element of proving yourself after a divorce. I’m no expert at this because I’m still happily married after 35 years
6. How much do you hate the bastards at Nettwerk?
Well said. (You really didn’t expect me to bite at everything you’ve said did you??)
7. Since for years you told everyone how wonderful and supportive Ash was, even in the face of you being really awful to him, how come you suddenly changed your tune so quickly? So how can we believe anything you say?
We don’t know the circumstances behind the split. For me trust in your partner is paramount and if that trust is betrayed in any form then there’s very little left. Again I’m now speaking from experience, so in this I definitely know what I’m talking about.
8. The man you were truly in love with, about whom you said everyone should have a love like this, but very very few do, they just make do, whereas this is true love etc. appears to be on most LOI tracks portrayed as the man who left when the going got tough. A complete change of mind and rewriting of history. Are you therefore going into politics?
See answer to Q.7 above.
9. If you keep going on about how normal you are and how much you like a normal life why don't you just retire? You have nothing more to prove and your creative phase is now over. So how come you keep appearing in the media when you have nothing new to say or sing, and have publicity photos glossed over to such an extent they would make Jabba The Hut look like Taylor Swift?
I think she is as normal as you’ll find in the music business. For me this is one of the reasons that she appeals to me, both the person and the music complement each other. Besides, define a “normal life” As to “...nothing more to prove.....”, everybody who has the slightest sense of acheivment and ambition has something to prove!
10. Did Nettwerk and the record company deliberately not promote LOI because you are leaving them?
My thoughts exactly.
11. Was LOI a deliberately bad album because you are saving your best for your own label at a time when you intend to manage yourself?
A 2 part question requires a 2 part answer, part 1: see answer to Q.4. 2nd. Part, I hope so, very much.
12. Do you hate their guts because they nearly worked you to destruction then leeched off your talent?
Well said...for the second time
13. Did you have that stalker shot?
WHAT!!.
I know, fleetingly, of the life changing effects of unwarranted attention that an “admirer” brings. When I was in my late teens I had a good friend whose sister was stalked by a “man” (I’d like to call him a bastard, you’re all decent people on this forum, so I won’t refer to the little toe rag in such terms.) The Police/law couldn’t/wouldn’t help so he dealt with the aforementioned little shit himself. Funnily enough the police/law could and did do something about that and my friend finished up in jail for 6 years. I last saw of him was in Hull prison ( A salubrious place HMP Hull, and I’m being complimentary in saying that!). That was a week before they transferred him to a London prison 200 miles away from his Family. The Police/law did that because his family made a formal complaint about the lack of support/action in the initial stalking complaint. Lily law doesn’t like it when you bitch about them.
All in all Squirrel I think you’ve done a bit of a disservice to SMcL with this hatchet job. I’m with you all the way pretty much in what you’re aiming at with the media/management service thing. But can this be wholly laid at the door of SMcl? I don’t think it is, and I’m more than certain you’re honest and intelligent enough to know the answer to that question. Please don’t think I’m slavishly defending her at all costs because I’m not. I know that everything in SMcL world isn’t perfect and I’ve done my share of petty bitching about what she’s done and what’s being done in her name. It’s the latter that rankles with me, which I think is where you’re coming from.
Management in most forms doesn’t look at you as a person, but as a shackle, a thing, a possession and as a tool to achieve a means to an end. It rarely looks at you at an asset, which is what you, I and everybody reading this right now is. You, I and everyone including Sarah are an asset, and are the only asset ANY company has. You and I are both at an age where we can remember Patrick McGoohan in the Prisoner, and his famous line “ I am a name, not a number”
Being in the public gaze does leave you open to criticism from your detractors, sometimes warranted, sometimes not, and the more you learn about somebody the worse it can get. If you’ve read a couple of my posts you will have realised that for several years I had a serious drink problem. This is something that I’m deeply ashamed and embarrassed about because to this day I don’t really understand why I went, willingly, down that road. As part of the help I enlisted I was “encouraged” to tell people about this, to “Aid the healing process”. This is a complete and utter load of bollocks because it doesn’t help the healing process at all, and in fact it exasperates the problem. This is because some of the people I’ve told and are now armed with a little knowledge, and a little knowledge IS dangerous, they’ve become very judgemental. It becomes empowering to know that somebody has issues that you don’t. I still have an occasional drink, but I’m now in control of what I’m doing and I now know when to stop, and more to the point I now know I can stop. I do this because I still have “something to prove”. OK, I’m only proving it to myself, but as I said earlier, we all have something to prove at every stage of our lives.
Oh yes!, Jessel didn’t try to get you into trouble, you did that on your own.
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Exceedingly interesting. It's possible your answers reveal more about yourself and your own demons, than being real answers, however there is some truth in them I believe. It's possible the truth lies somewhere between my complete cynicism and disregard, and your correct fan worship. My questions reflect my personality and your answers reflect yours. Despite your demons you are possibly a nicer person.
The questions of course didn't get me into any trouble at all. The final comment was more a "go on bring it on" to anyone of politiclal correctness who got their knickers in a twist.
The questions were all nasty tabloid sort of questions as an antidote to the "how do you manage to be so wonderful, kind, and brilliant?" sort of stuff. I shoulda been a tabloid journalist, although since I spend a good deal of time trying to cut people's throats at a poker table I am probably in the right line of work. Last night was one of the most enjoyable games I have ever experienced, and I was at my most cruellest.
The questions of course didn't get me into any trouble at all. The final comment was more a "go on bring it on" to anyone of politiclal correctness who got their knickers in a twist.
The questions were all nasty tabloid sort of questions as an antidote to the "how do you manage to be so wonderful, kind, and brilliant?" sort of stuff. I shoulda been a tabloid journalist, although since I spend a good deal of time trying to cut people's throats at a poker table I am probably in the right line of work. Last night was one of the most enjoyable games I have ever experienced, and I was at my most cruellest.
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Oh come on Squirrel, you don't need me to get yourself in trouble. But hey, that's part of your overall appeal and I've always admired your candidness even though I disagree with a few of the things you said.TheSquirrel wrote:Okay Jessel, you just wanted me to get into trouble didn't you?
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I know I may sound a bit patronizing regarding this but anyway, I only have one word for this: TRAGIC. Maybe I am condescending or naive but I just don't see the point of total dependence (as opposed to inter-dependence which is absolutely healthy in relationships). But most of the time, I just keep my mouth shut because I tend to get in trouble whenever I talk to people about this.Quincy wrote:I know of several people who have divorced and have “panicked” and finished up confusing love/relationship with sex. Don’t forget some people really don’t like being on there own and need the emotional crutch of another person’s love to lean on.
Extra kudos to you for hitting the nail on the head! I'm guilty lol! I dunno if it's something hereditary/genetic (I came from a family of spinsters and bachelors - and proud of it!) but my brain operates in such a way that I feel like I don't really need to experience something to know whether or not its the right thing to do. I go for depth of experience, not breadth. I just know, if you get what I mean. I admit that one of my favorite phrases is "I told you so..." but I'm doing my best to tone down a bit. I'm still a work in progress. My rant for the day lol!Quincy wrote:As part of the help I enlisted I was “encouraged” to tell people about this, to “Aid the healing process”. This is a complete and utter load of bollocks because it doesn’t help the healing process at all, and in fact it exasperates the problem. This is because some of the people I’ve told and are now armed with a little knowledge, and a little knowledge IS dangerous, they’ve become very judgemental. It becomes empowering to know that somebody has issues that you don’t.
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Well put all round Jessel. I usually agree with what you say, and this is no exception.Jessel wrote:I know I may sound a bit patronizing regarding this but anyway, I only have one word for this: TRAGIC. Maybe I am condescending or naive but I just don't see the point of total dependence (as opposed to inter-dependence which is absolutely healthy in relationships). But most of the time, I just keep my mouth shut because I tend to get in trouble whenever I talk to people about this.Quincy wrote:I know of several people who have divorced and have “panicked” and finished up confusing love/relationship with sex. Don’t forget some people really don’t like being on there own and need the emotional crutch of another person’s love to lean on.
Extra kudos to you for hitting the nail on the head! I'm guilty lol! I dunno if it's something hereditary/genetic (I came from a family of spinsters and bachelors - and proud of it!) but my brain operates in such a way that I feel like I don't really need to experience something to know whether or not its the right thing to do. I go for depth of experience, not breadth. I just know, if you get what I mean. I admit that one of my favorite phrases is "I told you so..." but I'm doing my best to tone down a bit. I'm still a work in progress. My rant for the day lol!Quincy wrote:As part of the help I enlisted I was “encouraged” to tell people about this, to “Aid the healing process”. This is a complete and utter load of bollocks because it doesn’t help the healing process at all, and in fact it exasperates the problem. This is because some of the people I’ve told and are now armed with a little knowledge, and a little knowledge IS dangerous, they’ve become very judgemental. It becomes empowering to know that somebody has issues that you don’t.
I could go into further detail about why I asked the porky pig tabloid questions, but I consider some people may see that anyway. It is reasonably obvious. It is to do with hypocrisy and inconsistencies. They may see my point of view even though they don't agree with me.
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I'm going to ignore TheSquirrel's disrespectful post. He is entitled to his opinion, but that doesn't mean that I have to respect what he says.
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